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September 06, 2008



You said: "The Constitution's framers used the Judeo-Christian ethic as a foundation for this new government. In creating America, they were beginning a unique experiment whereby everyone would be able to practice their religion freely, privately and publicly."

I have to respectfully disagree with this premise. Read the Constitution carefully and you will find no mention of God, Jesus, Christianity, etc. It was purposefully made a secular document.

Stephen Erwin

The best argument to refute the myth is the history of the First Amendment itself. There were 11 states in the union when Congress wrote the Amendment. Over half had State Establishments and Congressmen who wanted to defend those establishments.

When Madison wrote the first draft it was no accident that he specified no religious establishments were allowed by Congress, but a seperate Amendment, for the States only, had no establishment clause.

The final clause was written in secret in Conference Committee. It is not surprising that a congress that wanted to ban federal establishments, but had many supporters of state establishments would choose the words "Congress shall make no law respecting (regarding) an establishment of religion."

Obviously they meant no law for or against and with that language they satisfied all of the law makers.

Just as obviously the body of laws written by the court, which doesn't have the authority to write laws, banning so called establishments are all a violation of the letter and intent of the First Amendment.

Stephen Erwin


The Treaty of Tripoli, signed on 4 November, 1796 (the end of George Washington's last term as president) says "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. . .


I have read the book several years ago, then made the mistake of loaning this book out. Now, I am having a hard time trying to find one of the cases mentioned in the book "The Myth of Separation" concerning a Jewish man that wanted to buy a pair of gloves on Sunday and was reminded by the Chief Justice (I assume) that this was a nation founded on the Christian Bible. Late 17-early or mid-1800's.
Can anyone help me find documentation of this case?

Ian Reid

You seem to demonstrate all over again the notion that people see what they want to see, that perception is motivated. Your arguments were rebutted well before you wrote them and you might have spared yourself the trouble if you had done your homework. See, for instance ****

If you are simply intent on propagating a self-serving myth to be shared with like-minded individuals like Barton, well, that's covered by the establishment clause. If you want to get real and truely explore this 'issue', let me know. I'm interested in an honest review of this area myself. That's why I happened to find you. ****

**** Per RFFM.org blog rules regarding comments, all links have been removed from the above submission. -- JMZ, managing editor


From Dan Zanoza, RFFM.org's Executive Director and co-author of "The Separation of Church and State Myth: The Founding Fathers..." Contrary to Mr. Reid's inference the piece concerning the myth of separation of church and state was a result of a lack of research, the article took months of research before its original publication. Quotes in the article appeared verbatim and careful scrutiny of the aforementioned quotes ensured the words of constitutional framers were not taken out of context. Most certainly, the article comes to a conclusion related to the premise the words "separation of church and state" have been taken out of context related to the original writings of Thomas Jefferson. Once more, Jefferson's letter, which contains the phrase "separation of church and state" was not a formal government document and the term never appeared in the U.S. Constitution or any other formal document created and issued by America's Founding Fathers.


Real American

The Constitution is SIGNED "In The Year of OUR LORD"!

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